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Spring 2024 Travel Recap

We left the Rio Grande Valley in Texas on March 3rd and arrived in Arlington Washington on March 21st. How’s that for a recap? JK

As usual, it was an interesting trip. We covered about 2700 miles without any truck problems or RV suspension problems. That visit to the trailer repair shop in Houston TX has paid off. I’m just now getting to the point where I’m not looking at each vehicle that passes us, checking to see if they’re pointing at something wrong behind me.

That’s not to say we didn’t have any issues at all. Our first stop was at an Army RV park in San Antonio. We’ve stayed there before. They have nice concrete pads and I’d planned on rotating the truck tires there instead of the gravel pad we had in the RGV. Apparently the truck tires are getting heavier or I’m getting older. That little task took a lot out of me and decided to extend our stay one extra night to rest a little more. When we left the RGV, I also noticed that the slide topper on the kitchen slide wasn’t rolling up smoothly when bringing in the slide. That’s the one that I recently replaced and pinned it incorrectly so the internal springs released all their tension. Carefree of Colorado has instructions on their website about how to re-tension the springs and I followed those to the letter but it wasn’t enough.

I’d been thinking about buying another taller ladder for some time so I took advantage of the extra day to do just that. I used my military discount at Lowe’s to get a 10 foot ladder ($25 off) and added an extra turn on the tension. It was a real pain with the topper still installed. And it turns out that wasn’t enough. So, I’ll remove the topper entirely over the summer and do it again from scratch. On the brighter side. the new ladder travels well on the truck racks that used to carry kayaks.

We continued westward with a couple of 1 night stays until we got to Tucson. I had planned 2 nights there before heading to Quartzsite but those plans quickly changed. We were only able to get a dry camp site. No power, no water, no sewer. I filled up the freshwater tank at their dump station and we started setting up on the site. I dragged our new generator out and got it fired up and connected. Mary started putting out the slides and we heard a terrible noise coming from the big living room slide. I’ve never heard that sound before but I’ve read countless posts on FB groups that told me it was most likely the gearbox. At that point it was Friday afternoon and I was tired and not looking forward to that repair, even though I had a spare gearbox and the proper tools. Mary started calling mobile RV repair shops. Besides the normal problems getting a tech quickly, we were once again on a military base. Some companies will not take calls on a military base simply because it’s a hassle for civilians to get cleared onto the base. The earliest appointment we could get was Tuesday morning. We agreed to that and told them we’d cancel if I got the work done prior to that. The next day we ran into a couple who had seen us in San Antonio a few days prior and the husband helped me get the slide fully extended. That was basically the 2 guys throwing themselves at the ends of the slideout while Mary held the ‘extend’ button. A few hours later I had the motor and gearbox replaced, the cables adjusted properly and the slideout operating normally. Again, I felt the effects of old age and extended our stay by 2 nights. Fortunately, our freshwater lasted the entire time. That was certainly helped by me taking showers in the nearby bath house.

It was a fairly short driving day from there to Quartzsite AZ. The plan was to stay in an RV park in town and just drive the truck into the desert to check on BLM camping sites. All of that happened as advertised. BLM camping in Quartzsite was an interesting sight. Everything from million dollar Prevost busses to tents and everything in between. We got the lay of the land and talked to a few people to figure out how they did things for an extended stay. We could’ve done it for a few nights but I’m not sure nearby campers would’ve appreciated our generator running 16 hours a day. Most folks who stay long term have solar panels and just use their gennys on cloudy days. We headed back into town for the RV park with all the amenities. And I realized that I had goofed on the reservations for our next stay at Nellis AFB in Las Vegas. They couldn’t change the reservation so we had to extend one more night in Q.

One of the reasons I picked this particular RV park in Q was because they are in the Passport America network. That’s a nationwide discount camping club. The participating parks all have their own conditions for using the discount. In this case, you could only use it for a 2 night stay, which is what I’d reserved. Now I needed to get one more night at their standard rate. Not a big deal except this park had a very strange policy. All the sites had an electric meter and you typically see those used for monthly stays. This park’s policy was that electric was include in your rate for a maximum of 2 days and if you stayed longer than that you would be charged for actual usage starting on your first day. When I booked the third night in the office, the lady explained all this. I told her I understood but it was the only time I’d seen a policy like that in 18 years of RVing all across the country. I saw their maintenance guy take the reading mid afternoon the day before we left. They were supposed to charge my card after we left for the actual usage but never got around to it.

In Las Vegas we were woken up in the middle of the night by the propane/carbon monoxide detector going off. It had reached the end of its useful life and was beeping to let us know. We were there on the weekend and I couldn’t find a nearby RV dealer with the correct replacement so I cut one of the wires to silence it for the rest of the trip. On our arrival in WA, I ordered a new one from Amazon and had it the next day.

Somewhere between NV and WA we also had a problem with our drop down lights over the dinette table (something like this https://www.amazon.com/Kitchen-Pendent-Brushed-Decorative-Dinette/dp/B073RQM81C/ref=asc_df_B073RQM81C/ ) One of them had come loose while traveling and swung into the other one, shattering the glass. I disconnected the one that came loose and stowed it in the truck for the remainder of the trip. After arrival in WA, I removed the one with the shattered glass and used a part from it to reinstall the other light. We’ll go light shopping at some point in the near future.

But wait! There’s more! When we stopped for the night at a Love’s RV Stop in Bliss ID, the bedroom slide started making noises. They didn’t sound exactly like the noises from the living room slide but were still concerning. The next morning I moved a picnic table under the bedroom slide and pushed on it while Mary was hitting the retract button. We got it fully retracted and decided not to use the bedroom slide again until we got to our final destination (only 2 days).

So, on March 21st we pulled into our home for the summer. It’s a fairly small park, but agreeably close to the Amazon fulfillment center where I’ll be working. We’re starting off on a water and electric site until a full hookup site opens up next month. All the slides are out and I have time to figure out the bedroom slide problem. The park has some donated totes which I’ve been using to empty the gray tanks into and pull to the dump station. We’re close enough to the dump station that I decided yesterday to buy a cheap 100 foot hose for dumping the gray tanks. I’ll still have to use the tote for the black tank although I hope to only have to do that chore once before we move.

5th Wheel Suspension

For those of you unfamiliar with heavy 5th wheel trailers, it’s not uncommon for spring hangers and leaf springs to break while you’re traveling. This usually results in an axle getting skewed and tires rubbing together. Since 2006, I’ve had it happen several times and it typically involves a mobile welder on the side of the road, followed by new tires.

I was getting real tired of this so before we left Houston, I found a trailer repair shop to beef up my suspension. They welded in cross members and V clips to avoid future spring hanger failure. While they were doing that, they also noticed some flattened springs and advised me of wear percentage on the brakes. Since I was flush with cash from my Amazon gig, I got new leaf springs and 4 new brake assemblies. I’m certain I got a much better deal than an RV dealer, plus they had all the parts on hand so it was a one day job.

I’ve never been real impressed with the braking on either of my 5th wheels. This guy warned me that it might take about 100 miles for the brakes to reach max effectiveness. Well, we traveled from Houston to the RGV and I didn’t notice much difference. Just before we started our northward spring trip I considered jacking up all the trailer tires and manually adjusting them but somehow that didn’t get done. On the way north, we spent a few nights at a park on a large cement pad. Bingo!

The morning we left I pulled far forward, then backed up quickly and hit the brakes hard. I did this a couple of times, then left the park. Ever since then, the brakes have been golden. So has the rest of the suspension. Over 2000 miles on the new parts/welds and everything is staying right where it’s supposed to be.

Another “exciting” trip

It was nice leaving the RGV without a strict timetable. I had stops planned for a nice, leisurely drive up to Indiana. Our first stop was just outside Austin TX, checking a new possible winter destination. And that’s where things started to go wrong.

The campground was waaaay off the beaten path. During the last mile of the drive to the gate there was a narrow section of road with trees close on either side, and a pickup truck coming from the other direction. Silly me. I assumed that the trees would’ve been trimmed properly for big RVs. We didn’t feel or hear anything during that 50 yard stretch. After registering at the campground, I stood on their porch and looked down at the RV and thought ‘Why is my antenna upside down and 20 feet back from where it should be?’

We pulled into the site and got set up before I ventured onto the roof. The King Jack antenna would need to be replaced, along with 2 vent caps. Fortunately, the air conditioning shrouds and the exhaust vent covers were all OK. I didn’t see any other damage on the walk around so I felt pretty good that it was so minor and I could do all the repairs. There was an RV dealer nearby that had an antenna but it was much more expensive than what I’d seen online so we lived without live TV for a few days.

On to our next stop for a 2 night stay and I discover another issue. The main awning won’t go out. Oh! The motor cover got torn off by that nasty group of trees and all the wires were disconnected. After looking at it for awhile I could tell something else was missing but was able to connect the power wires and get the awning to extend. Of course, I had to reverse the wires to retract it. Back online for more research and found the missing part. Unfortunately, it wasn’t something typically stocked by RV dealers so that would have to go on the back burner for a few days. But there was one other bonus. As I’m walking around the RV I notice a crack in the corner of the kitchen slideout box. Wonderful! This is the very heavy slide so that’s just not good news.

We decide to keep driving and just extend the kitchen slide partially until repairs can be made. Driving through Arkansas we bypass a planned stop so we can spend an extra day camped on the Mississippi River. Enroute we stop at a Camping World just outside of Little Rock for a replacement antenna. It listed for $199 in the store but at the register I showed them their online advertised price of $140 and they honored that price. We spent 3 nights on the shores of the Mississippi River, watching barges go up and down the river and visiting with one of Mary’s old friends. Oh, and making repairs on the roof. At least the weather was nice while we were there and we found a nearby Dairy Queen.

On to our last stop before visiting family in Indiana. It was a very small RV park in the middle of Illinois and I don’t think they ever decided what kind of park they wanted to be. From the name and size, they were just supposed to be an unattended, overnight, no frills stop. Then they started adding amenities and a rule that you had to change sites after 2 weeks. Either way, it was convenient.

We made it to Cedar Lake IN the next day. This would be a water/electric site for a week but a very short drive to visit Mom and sis so we dealt with the shower house. First stop was for Chicago hot dogs. Man they tasted good after so long without. Italian beef sandwiches and gyros were a couple of days later. It was also time to make reservations at https://shipshewanatradingplace.com/rv I’d visited them a few years ago with slide cable issues and they fixed me up right on my site. This time I was already thinking something more catastrophic that would require us to drop the RV off for weeks.

We arrived at Shipshewana and the RV tech came out to look at the crack before we parked. Remarkably, he remembered me from my previous visit. Not my name, but my face and the problem. He thought it was more cosmetic than structural but also noticed a broken cable. OK, I thought, I’ve replaced those myself. We got setup on the site with 2 slides extended and I got a better look at the broken cable, and the wall around it. At that point I was back to thinking major, very expensive repair. Stopped at the office and their service schedule was booked out at least a couple of weeks. I couldn’t stay on my site that long due to previous bookings for Memorial Day and rallies. They talked to the tech again and he came to the site for another look. It was bad but not catastrophic. He could come out after hours (Friday) and start reinforcing that corner. Whew! We started running into problems with the cable replacement and he called a stop for the night, and also called a factory rep to assist him the next morning. The Norco/BAL factory rep was a real wizard with cables. We both learned a lot from him. That left a few more minor issues, which were taken care of in the bay on Monday. While waiting for that, I finished repairs on the awning with parts that had just arrived the day before. All told, we didn’t miss a night of sleep in the RV and the repairs were under $1k.

We also got to visit the RV museum in Elkhart and a number of Amish shops right here in Shipshewana. It seems like the Amish are embracing E-bikes. They’re not as prevalent as the buggies and horses but still noticeable. It really is an interesting area and we’ll have to come back sometime when we don’t need repairs.

While all the repairs were going on, I was also looking for my next Amazon job. I really didn’t expect to have any problems with this since they have such a high turnover rate. The first place I wanted ran out of openings AND had ridiculously high RV site rents nearby. Second place had no openings. I expanded my search and found another possibility that I applied for. The first appointment would require us to leave here 2 days early but, again, we couldn’t find a monthly site nearby. I withdrew that application and applied elsewhere. Almost had to withdraw that one but finally found a park with monthlies. Hopefully, this will work out for a few months to replenish the bank account.

Inside water pressure

One of the common complaints voiced by RVers is low water pressure coming out of one or more inside faucets. We had that problem recently at the kitchen faucet. All other faucets were great. Swapped out aerator with no change. Thought about just ordering a new faucet head but decided to try one more thing. Removed the faucet head and soaked it in a cup of CLR for several hours. GF greatly assisted the process. She noticed that one end of the faucet head had a valve that didn’t appear to be open. As it was sitting in the CLR she poked at it with one of her kitchen gadgets. Each time she poked a few bubbles came up. After reconnecting and using the faucet for half a day, the pressure is back to normal.

Slide Toppers

Those of you who have slide toppers already know that they get beat up pretty bad – either driving down the highway or setup in camp during high winds. They typically start tearing at the edges. So you get out the old awning tape or Gorilla tape and seal it up, until the tape dries out. Or the stitching around the poly cord comes undone and you have to resew it. You can extend the life of the topper that way but what you typically don’t see (until you actually remove the topper) are the hundreds of pinholes that have magically appeared.

I’m not sure how much it would cost a mobile tech to replace a slide topper but I was fortunate enough to have one replaced as part of an insurance claim. I took it to an independent repair shop and watched very closely while they were doing it. Turns out it’s not that difficult but an extra set of hands really helps. Just pin the roller tube with a cotter pin so you don’t have to re-tension the spring. About 6 screws later, you’re pulling out the old topper, and seeing all the pinholes.

I also found a great source for new topper material here in the Rio Grande Valley. The material is heavier than the OEM slide topper, the poly cord sewing is top notch and I got it in white instead of the heat absorbing black. I can’t really compare prices but it cost me $104 (in 2023) for a 146″ X 46″ slide topper. If you’re in the market for slide toppers or awnings, check out The Shade Shoppe in Don Wes Flea Market. They can also do the installation although I’m not sure what they charge for that.

Bad luck or charmed life?

We left the PNW allowing plenty of time to get to Houston TX, with good reason as it turns out. We made it precisely 110 miles down the road before pulling into a rest area and noticed smoke rising from the front driver’s wheel well. It didn’t take long to figure out that the brake caliper had seized. I tried taking the tire off to see if I could free the caliper but one of the lug nuts refused to budge past a certain point. Good Sam Roadside Assistance to the rescue. Despite a few miscommunications a very large tow truck arrived a few hours later. We had already reserved a spot at a nearby RV park and Good Sam set up an appointment for us at a nearby Dodge dealer. After a 3 day delay (and new rotors, calipers and pads on the front axle) we were back on the road.

It’s amazing (or not) how much you pay attention to every little sound driving down the road after repairs. Just hoping that nothing else is going to rear its ugly head. But it didn’t. All the way through Oregon, Idaho and into Utah. We rolled the dice on the Hill AFB FamCamp without reservations, mainly hoping for somewhere with great WiFi for a paid interview with User Testing. Well, we got a site for 3 nights and had 2 days before the interview. Naturally, I looked for a Chinese buffet and found a very good one. But while driving through town I noticed some vibration coming from the truck. Damn!! Bright and early Monday morning I drove into town to get it looked at. Surprisingly, they were able to start troubleshooting immediately. The mechanic took it for a short test drive and put it on a lift as soon as he got back. More bad news. The driveshaft was on its last leg. Their first call for a replacement part was the nearby Dodge dealer, where they were informed that the part had been discontinued. They finally tracked one down but it would be several days before it arrived. As I type this, we’re still waiting.

More money for repairs. Bad news. More delay. Bad news. Finding the problems without major accidents? Charmed life. Being in a very safe RV park with full hook ups and shopping within walking distance while we wait? Charmed life. With any luck, the charm will continue and the repairs will be made as quickly as possible and we’ll be on our way again soon.

12 Days, 3000 Miles

Another long trip is in the books. Over the winter in the RGV, I’d done repairs on both the RV and the truck and we were just hoping for an uneventful trip. HA! said the universe.

It started out well enough. On the first day northbound, I thought there might be a problem with the inverter (necessary to keep the refrigerator running while traveling). By the second day I was 100% certain. After checking breakers and fuses, Mary started calling around to find a new inverter. We found a few places that would work, for a cost of around $200. We made it to our second overnight stop and had to make a decision about the inverter. During the long drive, I had plenty of time to think and finally recalled a similar problem I had a few years ago with the inverter. When we got to the RV park, I completely disconnected the battery connected to the inverter, waited a minute or two, then reconnected it. Lo and behold, the inverter was working again. $$$ and time saved.

On we drove, ever westward. Going across New Mexico on I-40 we started hearing an unusual noise while braking. By the time we got to our scheduled casino RV park stop, it was very noticeable. We’d stopped early enough to start looking for a mechanic. Google is really great but sometimes the listings are real outdated. I called 3 or 4 nearby mechanics. I got voice mail for one and dutifully left a message (they never called back). One said they were very busy but he would check with his boss and call me back (he never did). The others came up with invalid numbers. By that time, most businesses were closed. I started looking further away, at a Dodge dealer, and settled on that for my last resort option. I also looked a little closer at the maps and found a few more options in a nearby town. Early the next morning, I called a small shop and they could see me right away. Within 2 minutes of arriving at the shop, me and my truck were on a lift. They’d pinpointed the problem and I had new front brake pads installed in under 30 minutes at a very reasonable price. We did a quick restock at Walmart and stayed another night at the casino just to rest up a little more.

While driving towards Albuquerque the next day we decided to skip one stop in Arizona. Between the price of diesel and the wind direction, it just wasn’t worth it. We did, however, stop at a small native American owned trading post (with RV park) long enough to tour the Grand Canyon for a day and enjoy a couple of good meals in their restaurant.

Now we’re heading northwest, over halfway to our final destination. Made it to our next stop in Utah without problems, although we were getting tired of the monotonous scenery. Because of the short driving day, we unhitched the truck to get some cheaper diesel and a local pizza. This particular park was mostly full of permanent RVers, much like many of the parks we’d stopped at. Getting out of the spot required some thought and consideration but we made it without any scratches. Then about 2 hours later a passing car notified us that we had a problem. Pulled over quickly at the end of an on ramp and walked around the RV. Well, halfway around. That’s all it took to notice a broken spring hanger and 2 tires touching each other. This was the same spring hanger that just got rewelded in San Antonio last December. Good Same Roadside Assistance was worthless in this situation. I Googled mobile welders and found one nearby (in Ogden) who responded immediately. Looks like he did an excellent job welding the hanger and even stayed to help me reattach the leaf spring. His price was very reasonable and we made it to our next scheduled stop without losing a day.

This should have been our last 1 night stay prior to arrival at our summer gig. We were all looking forward to fully setting up and settling in. We were heading north in Washington when we noticed another strange sound, this one coming from the transmission area. I just had the clutch and flywheel replaced a couple of months ago in Texas so this came as a real surprise. We had to backtrack about 20 miles to a Dodge dealer. After inspecting underneath the truck, they couldn’t definitively diagnose the problem further than a fluid leak. I found a nearby RV park that had room for us and setup there for a night with plans to return to the dealership when they opened the next morning to at least fix the leak. Dropped off the truck the next morning and while walking back to the RV park got another call from them. They admitted a mistake in the source of the leak, needed to order another part that would arrive the next day. That part was the most expensive repair of the trip but it arrived early enough in the day for the truck to be ready to go by noon. They also advised me that the guy in the RGV did NOT install all the parts he charged me for. I’m fighting over that now.

Anyway, after 12 days and 3000 miles, we finally made it safely to Copalis Beach Washington where we’ll settle in until the fall.

Ahhh, the sound of silence.

Am I talking about a Simon & Garfunkel song? Or maybe camping in the deep woods? No on both counts. I’m talking about the annoying squeak of a bathroom faucet.

When I first got this 5th wheel, all was good. I could turn the hot and cold water faucets all day long and they would not make a single sound. Then the dreaded day came when they both started squeaking. I endured for awhile but it finally got to be too much. I started researching, then removed both handles and applied some plumber’s grease. That corrected the problem for a few months. When the squeaking started again I thought my only option was to buy a new faucet, something a little higher quality than the OEM faucet. Off to the hardware store I went in search of a replacement. I found the proper size, took it back to the RV and installed in under 1 hour.

I heaved a huge sigh of relief when I first tested the handles and heard nothing but running water. I was back in my happy place for over a year. Then these handles started squeaking. Back to the internet for more ideas. I finally determined that I needed to get way down in the guts of the faucet, or just resign myself to buying a new faucet every other year. Since I hate waste and always prefer to repair instead of replace, I got out a few more tools and began the disassembly. I faintly heard Johnny Five (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_Circuit_(1986_film)) in the background saying ‘No disassemble’ but I pressed on.

During the disassembly, I narrowly averted disaster – or at least another trip to the hardware store. While holding one of the plastic pieces I heard something pop and saw a small rubber piece roll to a stop on the floor. I had no idea where it came from so I continued to disassemble the other side. Sure enough I found that piece and it had a spring under it. After a minute of searching, I found the other spring on the carpet. I slathered plumber’s grease everywhere I could and hoped for the best. I’m also ashamed to say that I wasn’t very conscientious about positioning of the plastic valves when I took it apart. I took my best educated guess when putting everything back together. Miraculously, when all was said and done, water flowed when and where it was supposed to. No water flowed, or even dripped, where it wasn’t supposed to. And best of all, there was nothing but blessed silence again when turning the handles. Hopefully, this fix will last longer than the last one.

When is my black tank really full?

Bring up this question online and you’ll get lots of different opinions. Why does it really matter?

Well, it matters because you want a lot of liquid in your tank before dumping to help flush all the solids out. If you dump your black tank on a daily basis, or worse, just leave the black tank valve open, you’ll get the dreaded poop pyramid. All the liquids will drain out and leave the solids. The goal here is to make sure your black tank is over half full before dumping, which takes us back to the original question – when is it really full?

Tank sensors are inaccurate, at least after the first couple of uses. Some people use a set number of days. That might work – after you’ve figured it out some other way but tanks are different sizes and the way people use their toilets is infinitely variable. Some folks just get a feel for it, but verify by shining a flashlight down the toilet pipe. I guess that works but, ewwwww!

I personally wait until my toilet burps back at me. What????? Yes, when you flush your toilet and the tank is full enough to start covering the vent pipe, it will burp at you. You want to pay attention to this when it first starts burping. You really don’t want that to happen after taco Tuesday, if you get my drift. Some folks just can’t visualize a burping toilet so I made a video of it for your viewing pleasure. Feel free to rewind or use slo-mo.

Time for a new category

After the last few posts, I realized that I need a category for RV maintenance. It seems to be taking up more and more of my time now that the 5th wheel is 5 years old.

After the wet bolt kit upgrade, the next project was (drum roll please) the toilet. It’s actually been an ongoing project for the last few months. For you non-RVers, our toilets are much different. There is no toilet tank holding several gallons of water to push stuff through the pipe. We basically have a 2 piece toilet – the bowl and the base. Between those 2 pieces is a flush valve to allow ‘stuff’ from the bowl to enter a pipe, which leads straight to a holding tank. We flush with a foot pedal. Besides opening the flush valve, it also sprays water into the toilet bowl. When you release the pedal it closes the flush valve and a small amount of fresh water remains in the bottom of the bowl. That small amount of standing water provides a barrier so that odors from the holding tank don’t come back up into the bathroom.

It’s fairly common for RV toilets to develop leaks around that flush valve so the bowl will no longer hold water. I’ve experienced this problem in the past and there are various solutions depending on the cause. Sometimes that opening just needs a thorough cleaning. Someone actually makes a special tool for it. I just use a circular toilet bowl brush. Sometimes a few ounces of vegetable oil in the bowl will recondition the rubber seal and make everything great again. And sometimes you just need to replace the seal. Not a fun job, but also fairly easy.

During my latest problem I tried the cleaning. That fixed the problem for a few days. I tried the vegetable oil. That lasted about a week. I changed the seal. That lasted about 3 weeks. So I started looking at other parts that could be changed. I changed a drive arm and the flush valve itself. Hell, I even tried some FlexSeal paint on the bottom of the bowl. Still no better. I’d been checking YouTube videos for other ideas and looking for more options in online forums. All the forum responses were ‘Buy a new toilet’. I found one YouTube video where the guy did a very good job of documenting 2 parts replacements. At the end of that video, he fessed up that given the same circumstances in the future, he would just buy a new base. That’s all I needed to hear at that point.

I checked online prices and shipping times, then found a local RV dealer that had one in stock for a reasonable price. That afternoon I installed the new base in under an hour (practice makes perfect). And it just felt different when I tested the flush. More solid. I didn’t mention it earlier but this particular toilet has a porcelain bowl but a plastic base. I’m not sure if the plastic got compressed enough to allow the leak or if an O ring just deteriorated. That O ring didn’t show up on any of the parts lists for the toilet but there was a definite difference between old and new. Just in case, I measured it and ordered a few spares for future use. So far so good on water staying in the bowl.